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This can only work, when an Australian diploma taught in India will give the same points to qualify for permanent Residence in Australia. otherwise you can give this bill to the bin.
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Venu, I guess you are saying that the course done in India should lead to global employment OR else it is not needed.
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I meant, the main the reason our students go abroad is to work and settle in that country and earn in dollars. what percentage of students come back after they finish their education abroad?
Why would anyone do a foreign degree in India?
Yes, if the course done in India can be recognised on the same level as done in that country, then there will be a demand.LikeLike
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Ravi,
Your blog has forced me go down to my memory lane, where I started my career as a “lecturer for Financial Management and Accounting” with one of the University in India and later teaching assignments in France. Even today teaching is my passion but is suffocating in an Indian Environment. Let me highlight a few basic realities:
1. The seniority of a lecturer is decided by the joining date in the job and not by the performance over a period of time.
2. Teachers are supposed to teach but if the students don’t learn, then also it is a teacher’s responsibility, even at a High Education level. To me this is an absurd concept.
3. I have seen many colleagues / teachers teaching from the same text book for over a decade.
4. For betterment, a job can be changed but only in vacation period (2 months), which also means – it is impossible to change a job.
5. The real boss of the Education provider is not the director but a trustee, who makes a business decision.
6. A lecturer spends more time for administrative operations and less for academic activity.
Ravi, I have noted your mother’s background. The academic Environment / culture from East is different from the West and to an extend rest of India. 60% score is really 60% in East, whereas in West 60% score means 45% in reality. Even the Nasoor guide supports my argument and hence we have different sections of the Indian Universities.
Mr. Sibals initiatives have short falls but are efforts in the correct direction, which gives excellent incentives for a lecturer to improve and peruse their academic goals.
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Rahul, good to see a disagreement. There is no denial that “Mr Sibals initiatives have short falls but are efforts in the correct direction.” Certainly, it offers more job options for younger teachers and that is welcome. Having said this, my point has only been that the goals set by the proposed legislations are exaggerated. It has some positives but those positives have been blown out of proportion. Further, it is hurried.
I am not saying anywhere that we donot need any legislation but we should have it only for the right reasons. At this time I called it rhetoric for this same reason…
Will it increase capacity? maybe
Will it increase options? maybe
Will it improve quality? maybe
Will it stop students from going overseas? NO
Will it make India an education hub? NOT LIKELYIf the bill was not hurried, the questions that we would be asking would be different and the answers will be YES for all.
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During the last fifty years I have seen the wide gap between pronouncement and their grass-root impact by those in government at New Delhi. Those who know are never seen as Policy makers.Those who do not know the subject act as a decision maker on that topic.Those who know are never chosen to provide appropriate advice.Mr. Kapil Sibal ,himself a Harvard educated person understands the facts.Yet acting as his Political party’s minister has to justify as a lawyer to mention attempts on building infrastructure and educational institutions for a news worthy story .Hence he attempts at bringing FOREIGN EDUCATION BILL.Your blog has rightly pointed at the short falls of the bill!
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I agree that Sibal is intelligent enough to grab the details. However, in a recent interview, Karan Thapar asked him as to the fact that offshore campuses donot allow international experience and exposure and what Sibal replied was shocking. Firstly Sibal stated that all those who go overseas are wealthy enough to travel on holidays and have exposure. This is such a difficult statement to accept. From experience we know that 90% of the students who go overseas have never gone overseas before and to even assume that they come from wealthy families is also not right. Bulk of them take education loans or parents life long savings to go overseas to study… Frankly, Sibal assumes all those who study overseas to be like him… Not true at all. He is in a hurry.
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Ravi
I had the opportunity to meet a student who claimed to have passed out of a very well known institution from the UK. I was quite impressed and asked him how did he like london?? I had a hard time controlling my laughter when he told me that actually he didn’t even have a passport and had actually done his degree from an institute offering this degrees in Gurgaon. This i am afraid might be the situation in a few years time where students would have paid high fees for a highly undervalued degree..One institution which has made a huge name for itself in the shortest possible time has been ISB (HYD) and the reason i think it has done well is because it has built a brand for itself and not marketed itself as a extension campus of the Kellogs Business School..
It would lead to interesting times..On another note for a non-congress supporter i think we live in strange times where the media has become the PR wing of the government. Hence we do not see any criticism of any move which is anti -people. I wonder what happened to those days where the media used to take the government to task for their wrong policies.. Its a dangerous trend where so-called opinion makers become spokespersons for the government. There is almost no credible forum where a non-congress supporter can voice an opinion.. Really no problems with Rahul Gandhi , but when have you ever seen a story where he /Sonia has been criticized.. This Doordarshan mentality can lead to dangerous situations..
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You can’t be right when you say that Sonia and Rahul are not criticised. They are all the time by loyalists of BJP and Narendra Modi. Even right now Baba Ramdev who has turned a politician refers to Rahul as YUVRAJ indicating dynastic politics.
Having said this, we all remember that the “deemed university” issue where the accreditation is being rolled back is a creation of former Minister of HRD. The education mafia in India is very strong and has a voice too. The Chattisgarh state accreditation for so many institutions was a huge blunder too. Was it not Ajit Jogi as CM then.
My support to Congress is now getting qualified too.
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Agree on the second part.. though our self styled yoga cannot be faulted for once telling the truth 🙂
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Given some unviable clauses of setting up shop in India I am not too sure how many quality foreign institutions would come in to the country. Besides, students would be driven by the urge to experience the real ‘Yale USA’ instead of imagining the real thing at ‘Yale – Kolkata campus’. I would however love to see world-class collaborations in the area of vocational education in India.
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Fully in agreement. India needs greater focus on vocational and polytech sector than degree centric institutions. We also need greater collaborations here. The age old ITI institutions are dying. Across the world, trade skills lead to more jobs than the regular degrees. The Minister makes his first visit to Australia in April and my understanding is that seeking Ozzie inputs in vocational areas is a focus. Having said this, there has to be something for an institution overseas too to gain. They are not the research focussed institutions and the Foreign education bill doesnot allow repatriation of funds. Anyway…
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Well I think it is too early to predict the outcome of our Minister, Mr. Kapil’s venture and will totally depend on the quality of institutes coming here to open their campuses !! We all know India is changing rapidly in all sphere of life and our PM is talking of growth rate of 9-10% in the next fiscal year which also means more money to the middle and upper middle class which drives our market in all sectors, education being one of them. If students are not happy with the quality of the institutes they will rather go abroad for higher studies but if good option is available here and with the changing circumstances I reckon it will be a good opportunity for our students to venture into these new institutions.
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There are “ifs and buts” for sure… I however doubt that we will see this bill mature at all in the current form. Anyway, lets wait.
Meanwhile, the list line of the blog is HOPE THEY ARE NOT FIXED. There are thoughts behind these words but will leave it for another blog.
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AUSTRALIAN universities have bet the farm on educating Asian accountants. There were 153,000 international students studying management and commerce at Australian universities in 2008, more than half the total enrolment of students from other countries. And if international sales are the business basis for higher education, the income generated by students from four Asian markets – India, China, Malaysia and Singapore – is the jewel in the cash cow’s crown.
An analysis of commonwealth government figures for 2008 shows these markets accounted for more than 40 per cent of business enrolments in 17 universities.
In 19 universities, business and management students from these markets made up more than one-third of international numbers.
Business academics are acutely conscious of the pressure that large international enrolments place on them.
“Some business faculties are placed in a position where they have to take more students to generate revenue streams,” says Monash accounting professor Keryn Chalmers, president of the Accounting and Finance Association of Australia and New Zealand.
There is no doubting vice-chancellors rely on the fee income their business teachers produce and the good news is nobody expects enrolments to evaporate overnight.
The bad news is the days of easy growth are gone as all these countries look to educate more of their own undergraduates and to attract fee-paying students from other countries.
“In the short term, there will be no great impact on the number of students coming here, but in the longer term there will be changes in global student mobility,” international education consultant Melissa Banks says.
University of Western Australia business professor and long-time international education analyst Tim Mazzarol says: “The overall market has peaked. National governments are boosting their on-shore capacity.
“We are now competing against countries that were previously markets.”
“Some of our key recruitment countries have become destinations in their own right and Australia has a paradoxical relationship with them, recruiting their students yet competing with them for students from other countries in the region,” Banks says. This does not mean Australian universities are losing their appeal; it is just that the rest of the world is catching up.
According to Banks, the expansion of China’s higher education system and the decline in the birthrate mean growth in demand for overseas study will slow. And China wants to build its export industry, which already hosts 197,000 foreign students.
Singapore also sees education as an income source, with 86,000 international students enrolled there.
Malaysia is expanding its system and added 40,000 tertiary places a year between 2004 and 2007. While meeting domestic demand is the primary objective, the Malaysian government is encouraging the big private education system to attract foreign students.
Japan also wants to get into the industry, if only to give universities people to teach as the birthrate falls. But a shortage of potential students is not an issue across much of Asia.
India has a long way to go to overcome the consequences of decades of low investment in education, demonstrated by this month’s decision to invite foreign universities to set up shop.
Vietnam and Indonesia also have an enormous need for higher education, although ambitious parents who can afford to send their children overseas to study are still scarce.The above is only the extract. Read the full article on
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Jag, This article reinforces my comments on the Foreign Education Bill. India does have a long way to go… Further the type of courses being taught at the offshore campuses are certainly indicative too.
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Dear Ravi,
Hats off to your brilliant analysis of the much talked about Bill. Hope Mr. Sibal logs on to this blog and has a long hard look at his tenure so far as the HRD Minister. Although I certainly admire the man’s commitment and dedication to bring about positive change in the not-so-flexible political / administration environment in India, I believe he should not rush into strategies that are not water-tight with regards to achieving the goals that have been laid out which forces me to question the “quality of goals” laid out in the first place.
If one is concerned about the quality of education of a country and wants to uplift the same, then goals such as saving Indian forex outflow should be a mere add-on advantage of a much bigger picture hopefully (I use this example as I agree with Ravi that this will be the only achievable short-term advantage of the Bill whereas other objectives are far-fetched and certainly does not carry high probabilities of achievement).
I sincerely hope that greater emphasis is placed on improving the domestic quality of Indian (including rural India which forms a substantial part of India that contributes to all that statistics which is used by policy-makers to showcase future exponential growth of strategies they hope to implement) education through organic growth. I am not in a position to recommend exact strategies that should be implemented to achieve the same but I hope time, money and effort is spent along these lines. A great example that does come to my mind with regards to the above is Aditya Nataraj’s initiatives through “Kaivalya Education Foundation” which actually makes sense. Please see http://www.echoinggreen.org/fellows/aditya-natraj for more info.
I hope more such initiatives are implemented going forward that will actually improve the quality of education and hence the standard of living in a country that is going to have the largest youth population in the world with extremely varying degrees of resources available to them…
The current focus on bringing Foreign Universities to set up campuses in India is something that should be seen as one of the ultimate phases / objectives / goals of the Indian education space. It first needs to start walking properly (with millions of kids out of school and unable to read or write) before contemplating podium-position in the longest marathon run (Ivy Leagues setting up their 2nd campus in India)!!
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I too admire Minister Sibal’s enthusiasm and the desire to bring about change. The blog is not stating that at all. I also agree with you that he should have not hurried it at all. The tenure of the Government has just started and there is no point to prove that in the first year itself, all the wrongs have been make right. It will lead to more wrongs. I do hope that Ministry of HRD does take note of some of the criticism that has only been made in the interest of the country.
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While the debate will go on at a much higher level, I think very often smaller details are lost in the process like the proverbial ” the battle was lost for the want of a nail”.
Has any noticed the state of the toilets in some of our colleges and universities, the state of the classrooms and libraries and the state of some of the professors! If the Minister thinks that India is going to a hub that will attract International students, he needs to give some attention to the upgrading of existing institutions and building new infrastructure and allied amenities like housing and provision for students to work part time while studying. He should also be willing to look at the provision of how these foreign students can become permanent residents of India. I am not joking.
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“Permanent Residents of India” is a new idea… If the left sees it a possibility then well…
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